Although it is not currently an allowable fuel, i think that the SCCA needs to start considering it as an option. Might be able to win some "going green" points or something. Who knows.
anyone agree with me?
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Re: E85
is it a result of some no alcohol in the pit rule that i had heard about?
i would like to be able to run e85 in general. do you drive an FFV?
the scca really should sponsor a green race.
i would like to be able to run e85 in general. do you drive an FFV?
the scca really should sponsor a green race.
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Re: E85
Actually the time trials rules do generally allow alternate fuels, the issue is the Solo and GCR rules apply to the respective classes. But if you read the Solo rules they reference fuels available at gas pumps which some argument might be made for E85, provided anyone has actually seen it available locally.
Generally speaking there are three concerns about fuels. Forcing people to run expensive fuels in order to be competitive. Additives that either preburned or as exhaust present a health risk to participants or workers. Fuels (raw alcohol) that present different fire hazards than gasoline. In the case of E85 none of those factors seem to apply.
In a broader sense there is interest on the national level in allowing alternate fuels and it's been acknowledged that the Time Trials program provides a place to open up those restrictions. I would suggest you send in a letter to either the SEB (Solo Events Board) or the CRB (Club Racing Board) depending on which class you are running and request that alternate fuelsbe allowed. The more people that write in the more attention the issue will recieve.
Generally speaking there are three concerns about fuels. Forcing people to run expensive fuels in order to be competitive. Additives that either preburned or as exhaust present a health risk to participants or workers. Fuels (raw alcohol) that present different fire hazards than gasoline. In the case of E85 none of those factors seem to apply.
In a broader sense there is interest on the national level in allowing alternate fuels and it's been acknowledged that the Time Trials program provides a place to open up those restrictions. I would suggest you send in a letter to either the SEB (Solo Events Board) or the CRB (Club Racing Board) depending on which class you are running and request that alternate fuelsbe allowed. The more people that write in the more attention the issue will recieve.
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Re: E85
I was always curious if electric cars have a place in hillclimbing? I don't know if there is a class for them or if it was ever discussed, but I would think the time is coming if we don't have a class for them? No, I am not considering an electric car at this time, still learning rotaries!
Re: E85
Re: Matt's post: E85 has been available on a limited(but growing) basis here in Central PA as well as nationwide.
HOWEVER:There is an issue with E85 in cars that are not designed or modified for it. Ethanol can attack materials in fuel systems that are perfectly happy with gasoline, and that would apply to most of us who would be competing in a (especially older)stock based vehicle.
For those of us old enough to remember, remember gasohol?
There is a rumor however, that Morgan is experimenting with a Bud-fuelled Vee.
HOWEVER:There is an issue with E85 in cars that are not designed or modified for it. Ethanol can attack materials in fuel systems that are perfectly happy with gasoline, and that would apply to most of us who would be competing in a (especially older)stock based vehicle.
For those of us old enough to remember, remember gasohol?
There is a rumor however, that Morgan is experimenting with a Bud-fuelled Vee.
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Re: E85
no Mel I think Morg is trying to get it to run on Jim Beam, whitch is what he is running on (Fri. anyway) the Bud mellows him out 
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Re: E85
Mel,
Man how did you find out about the new fuel? We have been experimenting all Winter under the utmost secrecy. Now that you have blown my cover here's the deal. 3 parts of BUD, mixed with 1 part of BUD LITE, with 6 Oz's of MICHELOB and a dash of JACK DANIELS has tested at 190 Octane. Further testing is in the works. Man Mel I thought you were a "BUD". I thought you could keep a secret.
Remember what happens in York, eventually will travel throughout the US.
And as for you Thor make sure you get it right. Governors Club or Jack is my fuel of choice.
Man how did you find out about the new fuel? We have been experimenting all Winter under the utmost secrecy. Now that you have blown my cover here's the deal. 3 parts of BUD, mixed with 1 part of BUD LITE, with 6 Oz's of MICHELOB and a dash of JACK DANIELS has tested at 190 Octane. Further testing is in the works. Man Mel I thought you were a "BUD". I thought you could keep a secret.
Remember what happens in York, eventually will travel throughout the US.
And as for you Thor make sure you get it right. Governors Club or Jack is my fuel of choice.
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Re: E85
geh, i once had a bad experience with Jack Daniels...
anywho, comverting my Omni to run off of E85 isn't my current concern as i have 80% of those angles figured out. But i wanted to make sure that when i arrive at an event, i don't get the boot.
anywho, comverting my Omni to run off of E85 isn't my current concern as i have 80% of those angles figured out. But i wanted to make sure that when i arrive at an event, i don't get the boot.
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I'm really not sure. (Hunts for race car parts catalog) Do fuel cell manufacturers list different foam material for different fuels?
I always thought (however I've been called delusional before) that fuel cell foam can break down from age regardless of what's in the cell.
I always thought (however I've been called delusional before) that fuel cell foam can break down from age regardless of what's in the cell.
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Re: E85
Stann,
I don't know how alcohol effects a fuel cell, but in me it gives me a boost for awhile and then gradually breaks down my interior running parts. I have found that higher octane/proof helps me function a little better and doesn't affect my parts quite as bad. Hope this helps you decide "BUD".
I don't know how alcohol effects a fuel cell, but in me it gives me a boost for awhile and then gradually breaks down my interior running parts.
I have found that higher octane/proof helps me function a little better and doesn't affect my parts quite as bad. Hope this helps you decide "BUD".-
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by internal functions, you mean "liver" right?
Morg, remenber Hershey last year? I think the added alcohol, did hurt you running ability. Just my thoughts, you claimed electrical problems, but I think it was the cocktail flu. dragsters run alcohol, and fuel cells, I think, what about the Danko car? ask them, they would know
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Morg, remenber Hershey last year? I think the added alcohol, did hurt you running ability. Just my thoughts, you claimed electrical problems, but I think it was the cocktail flu. dragsters run alcohol, and fuel cells, I think, what about the Danko car? ask them, they would know
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