PA Hillclimb

No, actually I lose. I lost hillclimbing, just like SE SCCA will if you are successful in pushing your rule through on your "gutt feeling." It doesn't "seem" hypocritical, it is hypocritical. As to you dragging me and others through the mud to make your point ... Actually, you an...

Matt’s eagerness to drive your car would be the answer from any driver and I know I would do it in a heartbeat. I’m sure he would be driving it under the threshold of being on the edge. That doesn’t mean there could be a mechanical failure causing an incident, which would be the most likely cause i...

So the assumption is you are going to have crashes then we have to consider the minimum level of protection required. 100% agreed. The million dollar question still remains: Are cages needed in all classes? Matt Green, the proposer of the rule, has already indicated that he feels that taking my 550...

... sorry, but I just have to come back to this. Matt G, do you realize how much of a slap in the face to your "roll bar drivers" your last comment is? You are the one proposing this rule. All of this drama started at your hands. ... but you were willing to take the risk, that you want to ...

Because Jeff, I am a car whore, and beggars can't be choosy. Plain and simple. So, by your arguments, you were willing to risk your life and risk losing all SCCA hillclimbs beyond what you, as someone in risk management/safety find acceptable, because you are a car whore? WOW [/u] ~ Sounds like you...

Matt Green, if hill climbing with just a roll bar is so dangerous and my car is being used as an example of how "extreme" roll bar cars have become ... ... then why were you so willing and eager to take my car up a hill? You surely didn't seem too concerned about it only having a roll bar ...

I'm saying this with all honesty- I applaud your research and work to get those numbers together. Thanks, but why wasn't this done on your end? It would have been a lot easier, and more comprehensive, for someone on your end to have done it. And no one has ever been killed or even injured driving a...

*There are two organizations in the U.S. that hold more hillclimbs per year than PHA and both of them have classes that require no roll bar or roll cage. They also do not have insurance that pays for injury or death of a driver. NHA does have insurance for the driver. I'm not sure about NEHA, but t...

This is slightly out of context. If I remember the discussion Jeff, I said to you that I felt that most of the people affected would probably either address the issue with their current car or get a different one by the time the rule came into effect. At the same time, I did indeed say that if peop...

Why on earth do you think records keep falling left and right? Because of technology! Left and right? One of the classes that was discussed as being exempt from the cage rule was CSP. CSP Giants record was set in 1998. CSP Weatherly record was set in 1998. CSP Duryea record was set in 1998. CSP Pag...

Jeff, you ran a 123 this past year. Can you seriously tell me that if you were to have an off, you'd be fine w/ just a bar? Problem with the question is there's no answer because no one knows, as there are way too many variables involved. Likewise insert a cage, and the answer is the same. 100% agr...

If we can agree that the only way to completely eliminate the risk of death in hillclimb racing is to stop racing hillclimbs and that if you want to keep hillclimb racing, then we would have to agree that mandating safety equipment falls within "risk assessment." So where is the assessment...

no no ... you missed my point Dave. I'm not saying that we don't need cages at all. I was poking fun with that last line. I do think we need cages in certain classes. My "point" on the subject of the Rally racing is that it was brought up as a reason to add cages to every car so that you d...

Hey Dave, You just proved exactly what my point was. Check out your use of the word "avoid": I mearly support the effort to try to avoid such a thing from happening. I mentioned the fact that one death was unavoidable even with a full cage to avoid a misconception that they could have prev...

Being a rally person myself, Jeff, I find this "fact" of yours to be a very far stretch. I 100% agree, which is why "the other side of this debate" should never have brought it up to begin with. I only addressed it here, because they used it (SCCA losing rally after the deaths) ...

The proposed rule is being discussed here as well:
http://www.racepa.com/forums/index.php? ... =4480&st=0

Of course cars today are not built like that tank was they are weaker yet. Do you think that 70 Boss would do better in crash testing than a modern car? Anyone else ever in a high speed crash? Then you know what I’m saying. Unfortunately I've been in many ... rolling cars, spinning cars, rear-ends ...

That is all ... I can only go back to 1987 from my desk.

You also posted that the 88 results were missing. The Eagle has this: Tommy Van Scoy Jr. of Shavertown believed the third time would be the charm. Jerry Coffee of Avoca thought that twice would be nice. Coffee, driving a Class Formula-Atlantic March, got his wish by successfully defending his champi...

In this thread , you indicated missing results for '92 Duryea. Although the Eagle does not have the results from that year in our archives, we do have this story (so you can add more <2 minute club members): HEADLINE Crowning king of Duryea / North Carolina driver posts fastest time on 2.5-mile cour...